Never argue with the bill …

I just managed to sneak in on the Monday Night group‘s Neil Thomas game, take some pics and see the game through some critical phases.

Tudor period soldiers from Graham’s 25mm collection

It confirmed many of the players’ suspicions … it is a fun quick and exciting game … but it is unbalanced and has some odd gearing in the combat mechanism.  Nothing that can’t be fixed, but it does need fixing.

Graham’s Tudor War saw a couple of units of English Billmen hack their way through landsknechts with little difficulty.


Essentially, where pike get 1 die per stand against infantry, sword and buckler, billmen and Halberdiers get 2.  1 extra die … but also ‘twice as many‘.    Landsknechts in particular also have poor armour … so poor saves, and will (and did) get rapidly chopped to pieces (they are good against cavalry, and later, good against the shot in mixed units).  They cannot stand up to polearms.

Tudor English foot soldiers

The fight being quick and one-sided means the English infantry get to take on a second enemy or march off the enemy’s base line.   There were also some questions as to whether the balance between horse and foot was really as good given that, unlike in the standard ‘ancients’ game, the units do not all have the same number of bases.
I will follow this sequence of game closely as I am as keen to improve the ancient and medieval game (which I used for Plataea at the Society of Ancients BattleDay) as I am to refine my Armati-based game for the English Civil War.


Key in this period, I think, is the ability of cavalry to ‘freeze’ infantry, preventing them from moving without cavalry support.   The cavalry action on the flanks should potentially resolve itself faster than the infantry action in the centre.  The infantry action in the centre should show the increasing importance of missile action.

Everyone seems to be enjoying this series of games, but you can’t help feeling a little more fine tuning should have been done before the definitive version of the rules was settled and went to press.

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5 Comments on “Never argue with the bill …”

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  2. yesthatphil Says:

    Yes … a distinction I sometimes miss – Landsknechts effectively being imitation Swiss soldiers of fortunte. Do you use different figures?

    I will amend the comment/captions when I go in to publish some photos from Naseby from the weekend.

    • Trebian Says:

      I use the same figures for both, although in this case the Swidd were actually mostly Ral Partha Swiss and the Landsknecht are Minifig Landsknecht.

  3. Trebian Says:

    They were actually Swiss, not landsknechts, so the outcome was even more of a surprise!


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